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2019/12/13 23:32:17

Subject: Why is there barely any complaining about Tau?

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My stompa + brigade fought in a 2k game vs 2 riptides, a storm surge and a ghostkeel supported by markerlights/warriors.

First game i managed to kill the ghostkeel turn 1 thanks to cunning but brutal then the stompa took 40 wounds (so close to surviving to turn 2!) second game it did 5 wounds to the storm surge then died (again in turn 1).

At least game 2 i managed to luck out on a few objectives for a respectable showing.


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2019/12/13 23:33:01

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That’s not so much because Tau are great, and more cause Stompas suck.

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2019/12/14 00:18:21

Subject: Why is there barely any complaining about Tau?

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iGuy91 wrote:

Its mostly because to be honest, they only have one busted model, with one busted rule.

Thats the shield drone turning 6 damage into 1 damage, which it then has a

FNP

against. The rest of the army is good to poor in quality.

Change the shield drones, and you’d never see Tau on a competitive table again. Not saying thats what should happen, but thats why nobody is complaining.

Well lets be clear on this, most bodyguard type rules do the same thing, transfer damage across to a different unit as a single mortal wound. We’ve had shield drones without

FnP

earlier in the edition and they didn’t work as they died the same as other drones without offering anything in return.

The difference is that Shield Drones can be taken en mass due to being 10pts and available from a variety of sources, unlike say Sslyth, Tyrant Guard or even Crisis Bodyguards.

I quite like Apocalypses system for drones, where the Shield Drone would give +1 to saves, though I’m not sure that would be good in

40K

where the Riptide can get a 3++ already.

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2019/12/14 00:19:17

Subject: Why is there barely any complaining about Tau?

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Most Bodyguard type rules do NOT convert 6 damage to 1.

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2019/12/14 08:47:39

Subject: Why is there barely any complaining about Tau?

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And most 300 point, shooting-only BS4+ models do not only have T7 and 14 wounds with an ability to trade 1 wound to work properly.


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2019/12/14 13:38:08

Subject: Why is there barely any complaining about Tau?

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Tau aren’t top meta. They just happen to be scissors to a lot of paper that is in the upper crust of the meta.

Like, hand me an Imperial Guard, Ork, CSM or Tyranid player and I’ll beat him 99/100 times with my Tau. In fact, I’d bet good money that the most vocal Tau haters belong to these factions. Here’s a tip, Einstein; bring a different faction! (Or if you’re CSM, swarm with bikes)

Hand me a Death Guard player and I’ll shake his hand and forfeit before deployment.

While other good armies like Drukhari are a coin flip, while the Iron Hands and Eldar flyer spam has the advantage over Tau.

Tau’s accumulated hate probably has something to do with never having had a trash codex either. Tau have always been at least decent. And probably will always be. But Tau have never been OP.

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2019/12/14 13:51:00

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LOL at Orkz and Tyranids being included in “upper crust of the meta”.

I, actually, go about 50/50 with my local Tau player (I play Orkz). Though the end results tend to be very skewed in that he either completely stomps me, or I do the same to him. Very seldomly do we have “close games”.


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2019/12/14 13:51:59

Subject: Why is there barely any complaining about Tau?

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flandarz wrote:
LOL

at Orkz and Tyranids being included in “upper crust of the meta”.


Read again. Never did I say they were. The second sentence is unattached to the first. It might be worded poorly, just assumed people would realize what I meant.

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2019/12/14 13:57:44

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Your first statement implies that Tau do well against the top meta Factions. Your second statement states some armies that you, personally, do really well against using Tau. The implication being that the listed armies are examples of “upper crust” armies.


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2019/12/14 15:36:10

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I think all of you hit the nail on the head. Tau really do only have 1 good build, which means a lot of people haven’t had the “pleasure” of facing Tau at their worst.

The reason I made this thread is because playing that 1 list is actually less enjoyable to me then facing most types of marine list. And frankly while it is only 1 list that list has proven itself to be completely OP. Yes stats show Tau as a whole aren’t doing as well as marines, but the players who aren’t using that 1 list severely take down that win percentage (whereas even the worst marine players can still win quite few games.) The Atlanta GT was just won by Tau, meaning Tau have won the last 2 huge events.

Yeah I get they have a nice win rate against marines, but remembered there are still 75% non-marine lists at events, meaning Tau players still have to beat non-marine players at top tables to win.

I agree the Tau book as a whole needs reworking, but in the short term drones really need some kind of nerf, or Tau are going to hurt 40k as whole.

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2019/12/14 17:17:51

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Nerf drones to anything but oblivion, and you won’t have changed the best build, you’ll only have made it somewhat worse and every OTHER build (which is already not in a good place) even worse than before – that increases the chance you’ll see the build you dislike playing against (being the only vaguely viable build among absolute gak, rather than being the only competitive build amongst less-than-efficient kinda gak), it doesn’t decrease it.

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2019/12/14 17:48:24

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Make drones like regular bodyguards. Make other units better.


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2019/12/14 18:15:55

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If that was aimed at me, I was responding specifically to the following:

I agree the Tau book as a whole needs reworking, but in the short term drones really need some kind of nerf, or Tau are going to hurt 40k as whole.


But yes, making everything viable and reintroducing synergy to the T’au that isn’t “Big Battlesuit + Drone + Commander” is a great approach. ONLY then would a nerfing of drones make any sense for balanced T’au gameplay.


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2019/12/14 18:51:34

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I am going to add to the sentiment that the competitive Tau list takes more skill than people think.

My Tau list is quite different from the standard competitive castle list (I have 4 shield drones total, 6 if you count Shadowsun’s unique ones, no broadsides, no riptides) and I still do quite well in my local meta. I run an infantry skew list focused on board control, with a pair of Ghostkeels for heavy hitting–even with so few drones the -2 to hit and 4++ make them quite survivable vs. entire armies worth of anti-tank.

Contrast this with a newer guy who I have played against, who also runs Tau, and has a pretty meta castle built, 2 riptides, 2 broadsides, uses all the buffs, 20+ shield drones, etc. When we played each other a couple weeks ago, I had a dominating victory over him. Why? A couple of reasons, first, because I took control of the board while he tried castling up, and he could not score as well. Secondly, because knowing how to arrange all the pieces of the castle and have them all support each other and fit is trickier than you might think. As it was the first turn for each of us was basically clearing out shield drones, but since he had so many units he needed to protect with them, I was able to eat away at his hitters while he had a bunch of shield drones too far away to save them, once I cleared out one end of the drones.


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2019/12/14 19:11:05

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It was just a comment in general.


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2019/12/14 19:20:55

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I don’t think that’d really work, since all non-Drone Bodyguard rules allow the unit being protected to make their save before the damage starts getting allocated to the Bodyguards.

This means the Riptide is least affected by getting to take his 3+ Invuln before putting wounds onto the Drones, while the fragile Crisis Suits wind up getting shoved further into irrelevance.


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2019/12/14 19:33:56

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Or at least make the drones have to be between the firer and the target.


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2019/12/14 19:50:01

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The easiest thing is to just make it like Grot Shields. Drop Shield Drones to 3ppm, give them the Troop role, and you gotta pop a Stratagem to make them eat (un-FnPable) damage.


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2019/12/14 20:35:02

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flandarz wrote:

The easiest thing is to just make it like Grot Shields. Drop Shield Drones to 3ppm, give them the Troop role, and you gotta pop a Stratagem to make them eat (un-FnPable) damage.


That would just encourage more castling for the T’au player, as they shove their entire army around the one mega blob of Drones.

T’au are supposed to be a mobile shooting army, gunlines are

IG

‘s thing. As broken as as Saviour Protocols are and as much as they need to be changed, making it so they promote gunlines even more is not the way to do it.

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Or at least make the drones have to be between the firer and the target.


This I can agree with

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2019/12/14 20:44:22

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Grot Shields can only protect a single unit, so while you certainly COULD hide behind a blob of Drones, as soon as your opponent decides to shoot a different unit than the one you’re protecting…

Like, why do you think you don’t see Orkz hiding their whole army behind blobs of Gretchin? The basic use of Grot Shields is to defend a single unit you don’t want to die. The rest of your army still has to figure out their own way to not getting blasted to pieces.


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2019/12/14 21:23:09

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I don’t think that’d really work, since all non-Drone Bodyguard rules allow the unit being protected to make their save before the damage starts getting allocated to the Bodyguards.

This means the Riptide is least affected by getting to take his 3+ Invuln before putting wounds onto the Drones, while the fragile Crisis Suits wind up getting shoved further into irrelevance.


Yeah, I don’t think this is the way. I think you need some way to allow high damage shots to still get thru while not allowing the big units like riptides to get their saves first.

What about this kind of a system?

“Savior protocols: when a friendly Tau unit is successfully wounded while within 3″ of a model with this rule, that model may choose to voluntarily suffer a mortal wound. If that would reduce the maximum damage dealt by that attack to 0, the attack sequence ends. If not, the model takes a saving throw as normal. If the saving throw is failed the damage caused by the attack is reduced by the number of mortal wounds that were taken because of the Savior Protocols rule.”


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2019/12/14 21:24:56

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the_scotsman wrote:

MalfunctBot wrote:


I don’t think that’d really work, since all non-Drone Bodyguard rules allow the unit being protected to make their save before the damage starts getting allocated to the Bodyguards.

This means the Riptide is least affected by getting to take his 3+ Invuln before putting wounds onto the Drones, while the fragile Crisis Suits wind up getting shoved further into irrelevance.


Yeah, I don’t think this is the way. I think you need some way to allow high damage shots to still get thru while not allowing the big units like riptides to get their saves first.

What about this kind of a system?

“Savior protocols: when a friendly Tau unit is successfully wounded while within 3″ of a model with this rule, that model may choose to voluntarily suffer a mortal wound. If that would reduce the maximum damage dealt by that attack to 0, the attack sequence ends. If not, the model takes a saving throw as normal. If the saving throw is failed the damage caused by the attack is reduced by the number of mortal wounds that were taken because of the Savior Protocols rule.”

Worded kinda poorly, and there’s en edge case where it breaks the game (

d6

damage weapon, you take, say, 3 mortals on a Drone. They roll a 2 for damage-do you heal one wound?) but conceptually much better. Just needs cleaning up.

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2019/12/14 22:39:02

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Tau need more high tech gak. Like options for suits to get negs to hit and maybe even ignore LoS.

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And suits need that rule that marine eliminators got.

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2019/12/15 00:51:53

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How to fix Shield Drones? Easy! Take them away as a unit and have them as an upgrade with a limit of 4-5 for said unit.

The issue is that you can take them as a unit that can saviour protocol multiple units. If you limit their number then they won’t be too much of an issue anymore, just more of a mild inconvenience.

To me I wish GW would focus more on the “Empire” Part of the T’au. They have always been a collection of aliens, and I would love to see that better represented in their codex. Kroot, Vespids, Demiurg, Human separatists, etc. The Fire Warriors and Gundams and pretty much done now. Remade and updated so I would love for them to focus on the other aspects of the Emipre now imo.


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2019/12/15 01:37:23

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The Warp Forge wrote:How to fix Shield Drones? Easy! Take them away as a unit and have them as an upgrade with a limit of 4-5 for said unit.


It’s been a long while, but wasn’t this exactly how drones used to work back in 3rd/4th Ed?

IIRC

you could take a drone controller as a piece of wargear, then add drones to the unit?

MalfunctBot wrote:


I don’t think that’d really work, since all non-Drone Bodyguard rules allow the unit being protected to make their save before the damage starts getting allocated to the Bodyguards.

This means the Riptide is least affected by getting to take his 3+ Invuln before putting wounds onto the Drones, while the fragile Crisis Suits wind up getting shoved further into irrelevance.


What if it were such that hits scored on the guarded unit get allocated to the drones instead? (Really I think it’s a little odd that that’s not how bodyguard rules work in the first place)


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2019/12/15 02:43:39

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Shield drones were the first thing I noticed that made me raise a brow from Tau. They are a bit over the top, use them as bodyguards sure, makes sense, but they are so good at the job its a bit crazy.

Having them eat, high damage shots meant for something/someone else is a bit nuts to me when it feels like they just pull a cartoon and swallow the shots, then burp up the smoke.


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2019/12/15 02:52:45

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flandarz wrote:

Grot Shields can only protect a single unit, so while you certainly COULD hide behind a blob of Drones, as soon as your opponent decides to shoot a different unit than the one you’re protecting…

Like, why do you think you don’t see Orkz hiding their whole army behind blobs of Gretchin? The basic use of Grot Shields is to defend a single unit you don’t want to die. The rest of your army still has to figure out their own way to not getting blasted to pieces.


I thought Grot Shields could take wounds for any unit and not just one in particular. My mistake, I’ve only played Orks once this Edition.

The problem is T’au units

don’t

have any other ways to not get blasted to pieces. If T’au still had their mobility and movement tricks we could atleast try to stay out of our opponents reach and dance in and out of

LoS

to try and protect ourselves, but since we got turned into Guard/Admech 2.0 thats not really an option anymore. The reason you barely ever see any T’au vehicles hit the table is because all they have to protect themselves is T7 and a 3+ armour save, which isn’t good enough this Edition.

If that’s how Saviour Protocols got changed I can see the T’au meta swap to just running Tau’nar lists, since that thing can benefit from Saviour Protocols for

some

reason.

Or they’ll just swarm the objectives with 300 3pt Troop Shield Drones to a level that puts Plaugebearer spam to shame.

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I don’t think that’d really work, since all non-Drone Bodyguard rules allow the unit being protected to make their save before the damage starts getting allocated to the Bodyguards.

This means the Riptide is least affected by getting to take his 3+ Invuln before putting wounds onto the Drones, while the fragile Crisis Suits wind up getting shoved further into irrelevance.


What if it were such that hits scored on the guarded unit get allocated to the drones instead? (Really I think it’s a little odd that that’s not how bodyguard rules work in the first place)


To be fair that wouldn’t be too much better, since then the Drone gets its 4+ Invuln to eat the shot instead of the 5+

FNP

, and wounding on the Drones toughness instead of the Battlesuits isn’t a big enough benefit to compensate.

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2019/12/15 04:05:42

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the_scotsman wrote:

MalfunctBot wrote:


I don’t think that’d really work, since all non-Drone Bodyguard rules allow the unit being protected to make their save before the damage starts getting allocated to the Bodyguards.

This means the Riptide is least affected by getting to take his 3+ Invuln before putting wounds onto the Drones, while the fragile Crisis Suits wind up getting shoved further into irrelevance.


Yeah, I don’t think this is the way. I think you need some way to allow high damage shots to still get thru while not allowing the big units like riptides to get their saves first.

What about this kind of a system?

“Savior protocols: when a friendly Tau unit is successfully wounded while within 3″ of a model with this rule, that model may choose to voluntarily suffer a mortal wound. If that would reduce the maximum damage dealt by that attack to 0, the attack sequence ends. If not, the model takes a saving throw as normal. If the saving throw is failed the damage caused by the attack is reduced by the number of mortal wounds that were taken because of the Savior Protocols rule.”

Worded kinda poorly, and there’s en edge case where it breaks the game (

d6

damage weapon, you take, say, 3 mortals on a Drone. They roll a 2 for damage-do you heal one wound?) but conceptually much better. Just needs cleaning up.


Sure, it’d need tweaking. And obviously if you roll below the number of drones sacrificed you just lose 0 wounds.


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2019/12/15 04:06:32

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catbarf wrote:

The Warp Forge wrote:How to fix Shield Drones? Easy! Take them away as a unit and have them as an upgrade with a limit of 4-5 for said unit.


It’s been a long while, but wasn’t this exactly how drones used to work back in 3rd/4th Ed?

IIRC

you could take a drone controller as a piece of wargear, then add drones to the unit?


Correct me if I’m wrong, but that is how it works now, except that once the unit hits the ground, the different models function as their own discrete units on the field, ex: if you take a Strike team with a Gun Drone and a Guardian Drone, the Gun Drone and the Guardian drone can go off after deployment and do their own things?

And careful about your wish; taken as a tactical drone unit, the unit can number up to 12 models. However if it is taken as an upgrade to a crisis suit numbering 9 models, you can end up with 18 shield drones acting as their own ‘unit’.

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2019/12/15 08:34:06

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It`s easy actually. If you deploy well Tao will not shoot you out of the board turn 1, they don`t negate modifiers, don`t deploy units out of their deployment zone. So you have feeling you still have a chance, with SM good sooty armies just wipe you for 1-2 turns and its over.
Many people are stopping going to tournaments because SM are just stupid.

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When you were born you didn’t come with a manual or game plan. But everyone knew something – you would be musical, you would be good with animals and I would get a lot of love. Everyone had a cousin who came out of the woodwork – one who was good at knitting, another who worked in a charity shop and another who did her mother’s shopping. But you were a baby – you couldn’t knit, sing or shop and would you?

But you had better ideas and bigger plans, you would trick me. Quickly you learnt a smile would melt me, trying to roll over would have me cycling your legs in mid air and splashing in the bath would have all the rubber ducks in town come home to roost. We began to go places together, to visit friends who would smile sympathetically, copious cups of coffee but when the front door closed I heard them think thank God it wasn’t us, darling.

I learnt a new vocabulary for you. Words like cherry stones sat in my mouth waiting to be spat out – mainstream; milestones and Makaton to a plethora of professionals. Professionals who I didn’t know existed – preschool, portage, paediatricians – all working for you. You too learnt new words duck, dada and down. You learnt to crawl and slowly you sidled along the sofa until the day came when you stepped out – unexpectantly but with a look of triumph on your face – See see look at me. I can walk. I can run. I can play ball. We spent hours visiting Sesame Street. Spending our sunny days in the company of Bert and Ernie and the letter ‘o’. Jim Henson gave you a good grounding in letters and numbers whilst I reacquainted myself with American film stars and jazz singers.

Nursery now notioned. Local school for local kids. An old Victorian building with high windows and even higher ceilings. Toilets in the yard and frozen milk curdling on the heating pipes. But the teacher was warm and wise and you even managed to get a little support from the local authority for her. You settled in but did not exactly join in. Two mother girl hens took great delight telling me what you had done – how you sat under the table during story time, took off your wet knickers and waved them over your head, ate the play-doh.

Another year at nursery was recommended with its ‘broad and balanced curriculum’ and ‘multiple learning opportunities’. The mother hens flew off and you were left on your own, still the smallest and still the silentest. I too lost the friends I had made that first year as they moved on and talked about reading levels and pencil control. But we were received into Reception the following year. When I told the teacher you ‘came’ with five hours support – she asked if this was a day – no I replied a week. Her face fell and so did my heart.
Did you really try to fit in that long year? Why did you climb the monkey bars to the top during assembly? Why did you break pencils during sums and why did you get a Golden Award in front of the Ofsted inspector? It couldn’t last could it, for either of us? One day we were called into the headmistress’s study with its leaky gas fire and alarming collection of china pigs – we’re not meeting her needs, she told us, you need more play opportunities, more trips to the post office than writing letters, you need to go elsewhere, anywhere, but not here. We were dismissed.

I went to visit a special school for you for, for pupils with moderate learning disabilities, – low set in its own grounds. I went in antennae and hackles raised. I went in all guns blazing, questions shooting from my lips, how would they…., what would they…. could they….? And came out relaxed, reassured and revitalised. This was the school for you with its small classes and smiling staff. Pictures of pupils and pictures by pupils adorned the walls – at child eye height. Nothing seemed too much trouble for the staff, not in a world weary ‘we’ve seen it all before’ way but ‘hey that’s interesting but we can deal with it.’

So you settled there – the only girl in a class of ten boys. Always Mary at Christmas, in her virgin blue smock and plimsolls; always the Hindu bride in RE, in her sari and plimsolls and one year even Dorothy with Toto in her gingham dress and plimsolls. You learnt table manners which I could only aspire to, pushing peas onto your fork as if to the manner born. OK, your writing was a little large and illegible and you tried to count countless times but reading, well what do you know, – you excelled – reading everything from headlines to street signs, labels to fables.

Your impish personality shone through and your way with words never ceased to amaze – neologisms a speciality – bras became ‘nipple bags’ and miniature poodles ‘talking socks’. You went away on an adventure holiday with school, amusing the staff when you told an elective mute to be quiet.

But time may be a great healer but it wasn’t on our side. As you grew and flourished you also grew up and had to move on, leaving this primary place to progress to the ‘Big School’ on the other side of town. I visited, walking through a fug of smoke at the school gates, to get to the headmaster’s study. In front of me a pupil was being physically escorted down a corridor leaving behind a slipstream of swearing.

I felt nervous; the school had a peculiar aroma of stale bodies, spot cream and hormones. Little did I know that this smell would come, linger and live in my house for the next four years. But, as most of your friends were going to this school and there were going to be girls in the class and, more importantly, there wasn’t anywhere else for you, you went there.

And in time I grew to love this ramshackle school of huts and portacabins; with its Scottish showman head teacher who played electric guitar at Christmas, swapping Silent Night for Black Night. The dedication of the teaching staff was high; as many of the boys (yes, as ever there was a higher male to female ratio) were in single parent female families the male teachers appeared to go out of their way to be positive role models. They took them hill climbing, helped them run Thrash Metal music nights and ran a youth club twice a week. Sometimes it worked and at other times the boys would climb on the flat roofs taunting teachers from on high. You discovered that you enjoyed cooking and brought home curries, coleslaw and cupcakes. Work experience was done in the school kitchen where you peeled carrots, scrubbed tables and served chips to your fellow students. I have lovely photographs of you in your ‘kitchen whites’, hat slipped at a jaunty angle like some errant sailor on shore leave.

You moved up through the school, a ‘pleasure to teach’, always ‘willing’ if a bit ‘disorganised’ and in ‘need of adult support at all times’. The girls, I had been so keen for you to know, soon left you behind in a whirl of lipstick and lads. You became interested in boys too, in your own way. Mooning and grinning over the biggest, fattest and, in my eyes, ugliest boys you could find. To them you didn’t exist except as ‘Little Louise’ from the taxi. They may have broken your heart but they broke mine too.

Posters appeared on your bedroom wall. Posters of boys all flashing smiles and eyes with names like Ben and Brad. I hated them and their false promises. Lyrics of undying love were cut out and stuck on your wall. You began to write a diary in your large looping writing. I must admit I did try to read it but couldn’t, not because of any sense of injustice more because it was illegible and just seemed consist of a certain boy’s name.

Then It happened. If only I knew what It was I could deal with It and help you to deal with It but I don’t; all I know is It happened.

You had taken your mobile phone into school, like everyone else, to flash and fondle in front of your friends. It never came home. The headmaster offered a reward for anyone who ‘found’ it but it never came home. You collected key rings, jangling off your school bag, family and friends bought them but one day they were gone, not in the quagmire which masqueraded as a bedroom, just gone.

Then one morning I found you looking in the bathroom mirror at the gap where your adult bottom teeth never grew in. You didn’t notice me and I silently watched you as you murmured a mantra ‘I am pretty, I am pretty’. I slowly slipped out, not knowing what to say or do. Maybe I should have held you and said ‘you are pretty’, maybe I should have reassured you that the dentist said anytime you wanted replacement teeth it could be arranged, maybe I should have asked more about what was going on in your life but you went to school every morning and came back every evening without complaining or indeed without saying anything.

I look back now and see that you were turning inward, unhappy but unable to articulate why. So, for my part, it was easy to ignore and not ask too many probing questions – how’s school? OK, how was youth club tonight? OK, how do you feel? OK. So, everything was OK, wasn’t it?

Sixteen knocked at the door and with it a change of school – kids from your school weren’t meant to go on further – a couple of years short term college courses followed by a life on the dole. We saw ex students in town occasionally mooching about and verging on the feral. However, because you have a libel label, a named learning disability, I could try and get you a place at the sixth form college for students with severe learning disabilities. Located within the local FE college this placement offered rebound therapy (the new name for trampolining), independent travel (the new name for going on a bus) and the community (the new name for Tesco’s coffee shop). It wasn’t ideal but because it was in the local education authority control you would still get speech and language therapy – which had finally paid dividends after years of putting teddy in the bed, teddy on the bed and teddy under the bed (the boring Boehm concepts).

Whilst we waited for confirmation of your place your behaviour got stranger. You stopped washing your face which you had slavishly done. Your clothes which you had put away in drawers, to which you had attached hand written labels to, lay discarded on the floor, unclean and unloved. You became withdrawn, withdrawing to your bedroom every evening to lie in bed with your CDs playing and the TV on with no sound – the ultimate in multi-media.

Your behaviour became erratic from someone who could go anywhere and hold a basic conversation I began not to trust you, you might shout out or say something ‘inappropriate’. You began to want to hold my hand again, something I assuaged due to memories from my childhood of adults with Down’s syndrome clumping hand in hand alongside mummy.

You started college but you weren’t any happier. In fact you got worse. You got angry with yourself, fighting an internal enemy, lashing out. You stopped doing things you had once liked, like Friday night guides. Your face became a miasma of tics and facial expressions – one eyebrow permanently quizzical – in best Roger Moore style. Term progressed and you started plucking at your clothes and slapping your thighs. As I come from the ostrich school of mothering I ignored it for so long. College called me to discuss your behaviour, you were leaving your pocessions about and not ‘engaging’. But when I went to college the frenetic pace was bewildering. A large girl was screaming in the toilet, staff smiled at me and told me that’s what she did every lunchtime; a large skinny boy bounced by closely persued by two male members of staff. Some boys played pool while another obsessively straightened the newspapers on the table beside me.

It all came to a horrible head the day of the breast cancer run. I had put your name forward to take part as I thought it be a fun, non-threatening thing for you do with staff and some fellow female students. I was the only parent that stayed behind to cheer – the others presumably grateful for extra kip on a Sunday morning. You were not happy. You stood alone, whilst the other girls chatted and high-fived. Staff approached you and started talking but you were having none of it, you backed away and began kicking out. When the starter’s gun fired you were dragged round the course every step of the way – you were last in the race – that wouldn’t have mattered if you had enjoyed yourself but you hadn’t. I was shocked, ashamed and saddened.

I approached your paediatrician. For the previous seventeen years it had always been a bit embarrassing seeing her. No everything is good, no she’s in perfect health, no she’s not overweight, yes her eyesight is fine and her she passed her hearing test with flying colours. Now, just as we were about to lose paediatrics we needed her for the first time – ever. She listened carefully and she spoke to you alone, but you couldn’t communicate, you had long since given up doing that. She suggested you might be depressed and referred us a learning disability psychiatrist.

In the meantime college broke up for the summer holidays and you seemed happier. You had started a new youth club and things seemed to be working out there – the leader always had a positive word to say – something I had grown unaccustomed to as all college reported ‘Louise has lost her bus pass, again’, Can you send in more lunch money Louise spent it in the community’ ‘Has Louise brought Kevin’s CDs home by accident?’

We got your appointment and travelled to a large stone building on the edge of town. The outside of the building was if the First World War had never happened whilst inside it was if Vietnam hadn’t. The psychiatrist too thought you were depressed and prescribed a course of Prozac – I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry when I saw the prescription read ‘sugar free’.

Summer jogged on and so did you – you became more chatty and the anger subsided, the facial tics and gestures lessened to single finger flicking. You went on a play scheme and had a good time with trips to the beach, the cinema and museums. I held my breath, had we ridden the storm and when you went back to college you might be your old self again?

First day back on the 6th September you stepped out of the taxi, plucking at your clothes, you charged in and went straight to your room. The escort shrugged her shoulders and jumped back into the car, at least she could leave, I couldn’t.

Slowly but markedly it struck me. Maybe these behaviours were your way of telling me you weren’t happy with college. I researched Individual Budgets fantasising about a package so tight you wouldn’t have a chance to be unhappy – PAs would take you places and do exciting things with you – every day would be like play scheme. I approached the brokerage people – can’t do anything as you don’t have a social worker they said. I rang Children’s services oh but they wouldn’t have you because you were nearly 18 and the Adult Social Work Team wouldn’t touch you because you weren’t 18. Pulling rank I rang your Connexions worker and told her our tale. And lo and behold a social worker was allocated and, more importantly, she suggested another school placement at a nearby special school, which had recently started a 6th Form and so far had only 10 students.

Yet again I visited a school. This school was local, a short bus trip away without a ‘Oh Lord Bless’em’ escort. This school was small, this school was self-contained. This school was great. I took you up for a visit and miracles of miracles they were baking cakes. You got stuck in straight away. Well I was told you did, because they sent me away, so they could get to know you.

This school could see no problem about ‘accommodating your needs’ and after a meeting with your ‘current placement’ I got the feeling they were glad to see the back of us. Paperwork came through easily and swiftly and taster days were arranged.

When I went to collect you that first day I did so with trepidation. How had you been? What had you said? How had you acted? The teacher smiled and regaled me with the tale of when seeing a toaster you had asked for a piece of toast please. She was astounded, college had done a great PR job and told her you only spoke in single words. She handed me some colour images – there you were working on the computer, talking to staff and students, singing and laughing!

You took to the taster days fantastically with only one slight hiccup. One afternoon when I went to collect you there you were being walked hand in hand down the corridor by a teaching assistant from your old 6th Form college. She told me she had been observing you to monitor your behaviour and you hadn’t been as happy today. I bit my tongue, lips and teeth to not say – I wonder why?

So today is the first day. Will you get a move on – the minibus is due any minute – you’ve already cleaned your teeth you don’t have to do it again…

The person who most inspires me I love deeply. The person who most inspires me never ceases to amaze me. The person who most inspires me makes me laugh and want to shout from the rooftops

The publisher is The Centre for Welfare Reform.

The Person Who Most Inspires Me © Alison Chalmers 2015.

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Commonwealth Bank – Commonwealth are the worst bank I have ever been with, Review 202614

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Mel

Review updated: Jan 01, 2018

We got a home loan through Commonwealth and subsequently we changed all our accounts over to them aswell. When you use internet banking you cannot see what amounts have been taken out until about 3 days later and there is ALWAYS a discrepancy between the account balance and the available funds. The reason I use internet banking is so that I can see where my money has gone. I NEVER had this problem with Westpac or ANZ (the two banks we were with before changing over to Commonwealth). I cannot keep track of my money using Commonwealth’s internet banking!!!

We have only been with Commonwealth for around 7 months and that time we have:

– had problems with our home loan in that I called the Commonwealth call centre to see if we were allowed to withdraw the money back off our home loan because we pay more than necessary every month. At that time he told me I could withdraw what ever I liked if it was available but he failed to tell me that the amount available isn’t what can be withdrawn and that I would need to keep a certain amount in the bank account for the loan payment at the end of the month.

– I had a problem with another of our loans in which we had our parents go guarantor as they needed a letter stating that the loan wasn’t in their name and that they were just the guarantors. My mother went into the bank who then told her that she needed to call the home loan specialists. She then called them who told her to call me so that she could get access to talk to the customer service people. I called the customer service number she gave me only to be forwarded back through to the branch where I was abused by the lady because I asked if my mother could have access to get a letter about the loan as it was a security issue. Fair enough it is a security issue but I was just doing what we were asked to do by the other Commonwealth staff.

– We applied for a loan in which we were told on two occasions had been approved. We were told that we needed to go to the branch to sign the loan contracts. I called the service centre to be forwarded through to the Morayfield branch so that I could make an appointment to sign the documentation. The lady in the call centre told me that I didnt have to make an appointment to sign loan documentation and that I could just go to the branch at anytime. I went down to the branch to sign the documentation and they asked if I had made an appointment!!! I told her what the service centre had told me about not needing to make an appointment so she helped me out. She told me that our loan had been declined!!! I even had a message on my answering machine which had said that it was approved.

I think Commonwealth are the WORST bank EVER!!! I will be making every effort to withdraw all of my accounts and loans from them to go to another bank. I do not have one nice thing to say about them and I hope that people read this before they decide to put any of their accounts with the incompetent bank and then go through all the troubles I have been through with them!!!

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2019/12/13 23:32:17

Subject: Why is there barely any complaining about Tau?

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Longtime Dakkanaut

My stompa + brigade fought in a 2k game vs 2 riptides, a storm surge and a ghostkeel supported by markerlights/warriors.

First game i managed to kill the ghostkeel turn 1 thanks to cunning but brutal then the stompa took 40 wounds (so close to surviving to turn 2!) second game it did 5 wounds to the storm surge then died (again in turn 1).

At least game 2 i managed to luck out on a few objectives for a respectable showing.


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2019/12/13 23:33:01

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In My Lab

That’s not so much because Tau are great, and more cause Stompas suck.

Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne!


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2019/12/14 00:18:21

Subject: Why is there barely any complaining about Tau?

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Lethal Lhamean

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Birmingham

iGuy91 wrote:

Its mostly because to be honest, they only have one busted model, with one busted rule.

Thats the shield drone turning 6 damage into 1 damage, which it then has a

FNP

against. The rest of the army is good to poor in quality.

Change the shield drones, and you’d never see Tau on a competitive table again. Not saying thats what should happen, but thats why nobody is complaining.

Well lets be clear on this, most bodyguard type rules do the same thing, transfer damage across to a different unit as a single mortal wound. We’ve had shield drones without

FnP

earlier in the edition and they didn’t work as they died the same as other drones without offering anything in return.

The difference is that Shield Drones can be taken en mass due to being 10pts and available from a variety of sources, unlike say Sslyth, Tyrant Guard or even Crisis Bodyguards.

I quite like Apocalypses system for drones, where the Shield Drone would give +1 to saves, though I’m not sure that would be good in

40K

where the Riptide can get a 3++ already.

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2019/12/14 00:19:17

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Most Bodyguard type rules do NOT convert 6 damage to 1.

Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne!


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2019/12/14 08:47:39

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Sneaky Sniper Drone

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And most 300 point, shooting-only BS4+ models do not only have T7 and 14 wounds with an ability to trade 1 wound to work properly.


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2019/12/14 13:38:08

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Been Around the Block

Tau aren’t top meta. They just happen to be scissors to a lot of paper that is in the upper crust of the meta.

Like, hand me an Imperial Guard, Ork, CSM or Tyranid player and I’ll beat him 99/100 times with my Tau. In fact, I’d bet good money that the most vocal Tau haters belong to these factions. Here’s a tip, Einstein; bring a different faction! (Or if you’re CSM, swarm with bikes)

Hand me a Death Guard player and I’ll shake his hand and forfeit before deployment.

While other good armies like Drukhari are a coin flip, while the Iron Hands and Eldar flyer spam has the advantage over Tau.

Tau’s accumulated hate probably has something to do with never having had a trash codex either. Tau have always been at least decent. And probably will always be. But Tau have never been OP.

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2019/12/14 13:51:00

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LOL at Orkz and Tyranids being included in “upper crust of the meta”.

I, actually, go about 50/50 with my local Tau player (I play Orkz). Though the end results tend to be very skewed in that he either completely stomps me, or I do the same to him. Very seldomly do we have “close games”.


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2019/12/14 13:51:59

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flandarz wrote:
LOL

at Orkz and Tyranids being included in “upper crust of the meta”.


Read again. Never did I say they were. The second sentence is unattached to the first. It might be worded poorly, just assumed people would realize what I meant.

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2019/12/14 13:57:44

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Your first statement implies that Tau do well against the top meta Factions. Your second statement states some armies that you, personally, do really well against using Tau. The implication being that the listed armies are examples of “upper crust” armies.


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2019/12/14 15:36:10

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I think all of you hit the nail on the head. Tau really do only have 1 good build, which means a lot of people haven’t had the “pleasure” of facing Tau at their worst.

The reason I made this thread is because playing that 1 list is actually less enjoyable to me then facing most types of marine list. And frankly while it is only 1 list that list has proven itself to be completely OP. Yes stats show Tau as a whole aren’t doing as well as marines, but the players who aren’t using that 1 list severely take down that win percentage (whereas even the worst marine players can still win quite few games.) The Atlanta GT was just won by Tau, meaning Tau have won the last 2 huge events.

Yeah I get they have a nice win rate against marines, but remembered there are still 75% non-marine lists at events, meaning Tau players still have to beat non-marine players at top tables to win.

I agree the Tau book as a whole needs reworking, but in the short term drones really need some kind of nerf, or Tau are going to hurt 40k as whole.

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2019/12/14 17:17:51

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Nerf drones to anything but oblivion, and you won’t have changed the best build, you’ll only have made it somewhat worse and every OTHER build (which is already not in a good place) even worse than before – that increases the chance you’ll see the build you dislike playing against (being the only vaguely viable build among absolute gak, rather than being the only competitive build amongst less-than-efficient kinda gak), it doesn’t decrease it.

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2019/12/14 17:48:24

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Locked in the Tower of Amareo

Make drones like regular bodyguards. Make other units better.


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2019/12/14 18:15:55

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If that was aimed at me, I was responding specifically to the following:

I agree the Tau book as a whole needs reworking, but in the short term drones really need some kind of nerf, or Tau are going to hurt 40k as whole.


But yes, making everything viable and reintroducing synergy to the T’au that isn’t “Big Battlesuit + Drone + Commander” is a great approach. ONLY then would a nerfing of drones make any sense for balanced T’au gameplay.


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2019/12/14 18:51:34

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I am going to add to the sentiment that the competitive Tau list takes more skill than people think.

My Tau list is quite different from the standard competitive castle list (I have 4 shield drones total, 6 if you count Shadowsun’s unique ones, no broadsides, no riptides) and I still do quite well in my local meta. I run an infantry skew list focused on board control, with a pair of Ghostkeels for heavy hitting–even with so few drones the -2 to hit and 4++ make them quite survivable vs. entire armies worth of anti-tank.

Contrast this with a newer guy who I have played against, who also runs Tau, and has a pretty meta castle built, 2 riptides, 2 broadsides, uses all the buffs, 20+ shield drones, etc. When we played each other a couple weeks ago, I had a dominating victory over him. Why? A couple of reasons, first, because I took control of the board while he tried castling up, and he could not score as well. Secondly, because knowing how to arrange all the pieces of the castle and have them all support each other and fit is trickier than you might think. As it was the first turn for each of us was basically clearing out shield drones, but since he had so many units he needed to protect with them, I was able to eat away at his hitters while he had a bunch of shield drones too far away to save them, once I cleared out one end of the drones.


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2019/12/14 19:11:05

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It was just a comment in general.


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2019/12/14 19:20:55

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Sneaky Sniper Drone


I don’t think that’d really work, since all non-Drone Bodyguard rules allow the unit being protected to make their save before the damage starts getting allocated to the Bodyguards.

This means the Riptide is least affected by getting to take his 3+ Invuln before putting wounds onto the Drones, while the fragile Crisis Suits wind up getting shoved further into irrelevance.


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2019/12/14 19:33:56

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Locked in the Tower of Amareo

Or at least make the drones have to be between the firer and the target.


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2019/12/14 19:50:01

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Douglasville, GA

The easiest thing is to just make it like Grot Shields. Drop Shield Drones to 3ppm, give them the Troop role, and you gotta pop a Stratagem to make them eat (un-FnPable) damage.


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2019/12/14 20:35:02

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flandarz wrote:

The easiest thing is to just make it like Grot Shields. Drop Shield Drones to 3ppm, give them the Troop role, and you gotta pop a Stratagem to make them eat (un-FnPable) damage.


That would just encourage more castling for the T’au player, as they shove their entire army around the one mega blob of Drones.

T’au are supposed to be a mobile shooting army, gunlines are

IG

‘s thing. As broken as as Saviour Protocols are and as much as they need to be changed, making it so they promote gunlines even more is not the way to do it.

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Martel732 wrote:

Or at least make the drones have to be between the firer and the target.


This I can agree with

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2019/12/14 20:44:22

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Grot Shields can only protect a single unit, so while you certainly COULD hide behind a blob of Drones, as soon as your opponent decides to shoot a different unit than the one you’re protecting…

Like, why do you think you don’t see Orkz hiding their whole army behind blobs of Gretchin? The basic use of Grot Shields is to defend a single unit you don’t want to die. The rest of your army still has to figure out their own way to not getting blasted to pieces.


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I don’t think that’d really work, since all non-Drone Bodyguard rules allow the unit being protected to make their save before the damage starts getting allocated to the Bodyguards.

This means the Riptide is least affected by getting to take his 3+ Invuln before putting wounds onto the Drones, while the fragile Crisis Suits wind up getting shoved further into irrelevance.


Yeah, I don’t think this is the way. I think you need some way to allow high damage shots to still get thru while not allowing the big units like riptides to get their saves first.

What about this kind of a system?

“Savior protocols: when a friendly Tau unit is successfully wounded while within 3″ of a model with this rule, that model may choose to voluntarily suffer a mortal wound. If that would reduce the maximum damage dealt by that attack to 0, the attack sequence ends. If not, the model takes a saving throw as normal. If the saving throw is failed the damage caused by the attack is reduced by the number of mortal wounds that were taken because of the Savior Protocols rule.”


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2019/12/14 21:24:56

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the_scotsman wrote:

MalfunctBot wrote:


I don’t think that’d really work, since all non-Drone Bodyguard rules allow the unit being protected to make their save before the damage starts getting allocated to the Bodyguards.

This means the Riptide is least affected by getting to take his 3+ Invuln before putting wounds onto the Drones, while the fragile Crisis Suits wind up getting shoved further into irrelevance.


Yeah, I don’t think this is the way. I think you need some way to allow high damage shots to still get thru while not allowing the big units like riptides to get their saves first.

What about this kind of a system?

“Savior protocols: when a friendly Tau unit is successfully wounded while within 3″ of a model with this rule, that model may choose to voluntarily suffer a mortal wound. If that would reduce the maximum damage dealt by that attack to 0, the attack sequence ends. If not, the model takes a saving throw as normal. If the saving throw is failed the damage caused by the attack is reduced by the number of mortal wounds that were taken because of the Savior Protocols rule.”

Worded kinda poorly, and there’s en edge case where it breaks the game (

d6

damage weapon, you take, say, 3 mortals on a Drone. They roll a 2 for damage-do you heal one wound?) but conceptually much better. Just needs cleaning up.

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2019/12/14 22:39:02

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Tau need more high tech gak. Like options for suits to get negs to hit and maybe even ignore LoS.

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How to fix Shield Drones? Easy! Take them away as a unit and have them as an upgrade with a limit of 4-5 for said unit.

The issue is that you can take them as a unit that can saviour protocol multiple units. If you limit their number then they won’t be too much of an issue anymore, just more of a mild inconvenience.

To me I wish GW would focus more on the “Empire” Part of the T’au. They have always been a collection of aliens, and I would love to see that better represented in their codex. Kroot, Vespids, Demiurg, Human separatists, etc. The Fire Warriors and Gundams and pretty much done now. Remade and updated so I would love for them to focus on the other aspects of the Emipre now imo.


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The Warp Forge wrote:How to fix Shield Drones? Easy! Take them away as a unit and have them as an upgrade with a limit of 4-5 for said unit.


It’s been a long while, but wasn’t this exactly how drones used to work back in 3rd/4th Ed?

IIRC

you could take a drone controller as a piece of wargear, then add drones to the unit?

MalfunctBot wrote:


I don’t think that’d really work, since all non-Drone Bodyguard rules allow the unit being protected to make their save before the damage starts getting allocated to the Bodyguards.

This means the Riptide is least affected by getting to take his 3+ Invuln before putting wounds onto the Drones, while the fragile Crisis Suits wind up getting shoved further into irrelevance.


What if it were such that hits scored on the guarded unit get allocated to the drones instead? (Really I think it’s a little odd that that’s not how bodyguard rules work in the first place)


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2019/12/15 02:43:39

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Shield drones were the first thing I noticed that made me raise a brow from Tau. They are a bit over the top, use them as bodyguards sure, makes sense, but they are so good at the job its a bit crazy.

Having them eat, high damage shots meant for something/someone else is a bit nuts to me when it feels like they just pull a cartoon and swallow the shots, then burp up the smoke.


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flandarz wrote:

Grot Shields can only protect a single unit, so while you certainly COULD hide behind a blob of Drones, as soon as your opponent decides to shoot a different unit than the one you’re protecting…

Like, why do you think you don’t see Orkz hiding their whole army behind blobs of Gretchin? The basic use of Grot Shields is to defend a single unit you don’t want to die. The rest of your army still has to figure out their own way to not getting blasted to pieces.


I thought Grot Shields could take wounds for any unit and not just one in particular. My mistake, I’ve only played Orks once this Edition.

The problem is T’au units

don’t

have any other ways to not get blasted to pieces. If T’au still had their mobility and movement tricks we could atleast try to stay out of our opponents reach and dance in and out of

LoS

to try and protect ourselves, but since we got turned into Guard/Admech 2.0 thats not really an option anymore. The reason you barely ever see any T’au vehicles hit the table is because all they have to protect themselves is T7 and a 3+ armour save, which isn’t good enough this Edition.

If that’s how Saviour Protocols got changed I can see the T’au meta swap to just running Tau’nar lists, since that thing can benefit from Saviour Protocols for

some

reason.

Or they’ll just swarm the objectives with 300 3pt Troop Shield Drones to a level that puts Plaugebearer spam to shame.

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catbarf wrote:

MalfunctBot wrote:


I don’t think that’d really work, since all non-Drone Bodyguard rules allow the unit being protected to make their save before the damage starts getting allocated to the Bodyguards.

This means the Riptide is least affected by getting to take his 3+ Invuln before putting wounds onto the Drones, while the fragile Crisis Suits wind up getting shoved further into irrelevance.


What if it were such that hits scored on the guarded unit get allocated to the drones instead? (Really I think it’s a little odd that that’s not how bodyguard rules work in the first place)


To be fair that wouldn’t be too much better, since then the Drone gets its 4+ Invuln to eat the shot instead of the 5+

FNP

, and wounding on the Drones toughness instead of the Battlesuits isn’t a big enough benefit to compensate.

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JNAProductions wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

MalfunctBot wrote:


I don’t think that’d really work, since all non-Drone Bodyguard rules allow the unit being protected to make their save before the damage starts getting allocated to the Bodyguards.

This means the Riptide is least affected by getting to take his 3+ Invuln before putting wounds onto the Drones, while the fragile Crisis Suits wind up getting shoved further into irrelevance.


Yeah, I don’t think this is the way. I think you need some way to allow high damage shots to still get thru while not allowing the big units like riptides to get their saves first.

What about this kind of a system?

“Savior protocols: when a friendly Tau unit is successfully wounded while within 3″ of a model with this rule, that model may choose to voluntarily suffer a mortal wound. If that would reduce the maximum damage dealt by that attack to 0, the attack sequence ends. If not, the model takes a saving throw as normal. If the saving throw is failed the damage caused by the attack is reduced by the number of mortal wounds that were taken because of the Savior Protocols rule.”

Worded kinda poorly, and there’s en edge case where it breaks the game (

d6

damage weapon, you take, say, 3 mortals on a Drone. They roll a 2 for damage-do you heal one wound?) but conceptually much better. Just needs cleaning up.


Sure, it’d need tweaking. And obviously if you roll below the number of drones sacrificed you just lose 0 wounds.


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catbarf wrote:

The Warp Forge wrote:How to fix Shield Drones? Easy! Take them away as a unit and have them as an upgrade with a limit of 4-5 for said unit.


It’s been a long while, but wasn’t this exactly how drones used to work back in 3rd/4th Ed?

IIRC

you could take a drone controller as a piece of wargear, then add drones to the unit?


Correct me if I’m wrong, but that is how it works now, except that once the unit hits the ground, the different models function as their own discrete units on the field, ex: if you take a Strike team with a Gun Drone and a Guardian Drone, the Gun Drone and the Guardian drone can go off after deployment and do their own things?

And careful about your wish; taken as a tactical drone unit, the unit can number up to 12 models. However if it is taken as an upgrade to a crisis suit numbering 9 models, you can end up with 18 shield drones acting as their own ‘unit’.

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It`s easy actually. If you deploy well Tao will not shoot you out of the board turn 1, they don`t negate modifiers, don`t deploy units out of their deployment zone. So you have feeling you still have a chance, with SM good sooty armies just wipe you for 1-2 turns and its over.
Many people are stopping going to tournaments because SM are just stupid.

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I agree TC. I don’t know why so many are complaining, it’s not like there’s anything wrong with what has been shown for Jill, Carlos and Nemesis.

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Morning Joe Mocks Trump Complaining to Troops: What a Child

Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinksi returned to hosting Morning Joe after a week-long Thanksgiving break and quickly returned to their trademark ridiculing of President Donald Trump.

At issue on the Monday morning that followed Thanksgiving was a montage of past comments that Trump has made to troops on Thanksgiving, culminating with the president’s sharing a story with troops serving in Afghanistan that he was unable to eat any turkey while supporting the troops with a surprise holiday visit.

While addressing the troops Trump said “I sat down and had a gorgeous piece of turkey and I was all set to do go and I had some of the mashed potatoes, and I never got to the turkey because the general said come on over, sir, let’s take some pictures. I never got to my turkey. It’s the first time on Thanksgiving that I’ve never had anything called turkey, but that’s okay.”

Shortly after Ms. Brzezinski opened the show, Mr. Scarborough interrupted — as his is wont — with “Wait, wait, wait. He’s complaining to troops?”

Mika: “Who are serving abroad.”

Joe: “That are serving in Afghanistan, over the holidays. that he did not get enough to eat. I mean, you look — he’s complaining about not getting enough to eat.”

While his c0-host returned to opening the show and introducing Monday’s panel, Scarborough interjected “what a child.”

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Letters, Dec. 11: Stop complaining Alberta everyone has problems

A SCOLDING

Enough already, Alberta! It’s been almost two months since you turned your back on the family and ran to your room, and all you’ve done since is complain that you don’t have a place at the table. I understand that you really want a unicorn for Christmas; that world oil prices will rise and that the cost of renewable energy will stop falling, that others will pay more for your oil, that the courts will trample Indigenous rights and that climate change will simply go away. Truth is, it won’t and they won’t, so you won’t … be getting the unicorn. You’re asking for things that aren’t within our power to give, but what we can do is help you diversify your economy, retrain oil workers and adapt to the global heating we have already set in motion. Not just Albertans but Canadians from coast to coast are being rocked by droughts, wildfires and thawing permafrost, not to mention powerful storms, heat waves and rising seas, and things are going to get worse. Times have changed and so must you, and perhaps, with fundamental reform, we can still turn climate crisis into climate opportunity. It’s up to you. Love, the family.

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LAUGHING AT HIM

Justin Trudeau looked like a little kid trying to impress the adults at a grown up party at Buckingham Palace this week. Unfortunately for Canada, when Justin is not in the room, it is he that they laugh at the most. They have all taken measure of the man’s intellect and find it sorely deficient.

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PARK IT, SIMS

When asked for his thoughts on Wexit, Westjet CEO Ed Sims is quoted as saying, “I won’t tolerate that kind of language.” Mr. Sims, we the people of Alberta will decide if we want leave Canada. It’s our right to have that discussion and vote, your expression of tolerance for that right is repugnant. He’s also quoted in the same article as saying, “And there’s no reason for Alberta to feel divided from the rest of Canada.” I’m 67 years old, born and raised in Alberta, there’s really nothing to comment on about that observation it’s so ludicrous.

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Brilliant editorial cartoon using the four horsemen of the apocalypse. With Climate Change Conference 25 taking place this

December. Death will say to Famine: “vilifying CO2, which is plant food, is a stroke of genius.”

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WEST WORLD

Alberta is not ‘THE WEST’! We drag in ‘the west’ to feel we have other western provinces support us. Saskatchewan got linked into Alberta with the carbon tax. Alberta has been whining and complaining since 1905 — nothing new here! Jason Kenny stated in the last federal election “I’m going to do everything in my power to defeat Justin Trudeau and those Liberals”. Well he did succeed in Alberta linking up with Saskatchewan and now “We are being ignored again”. It’s self-inflicted!

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Talking Heads complaining Heisman is a QB award. Concern? | Page 4

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You’re asking if there is something to worry about due to an ESPN segment

The ‘worry’ was that the rhetoric was going to take away votes and he wasn’t going to win by the largest margin in history(OJ Simpson). I don’t want him to just win it, want him to take all the records.

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that is happening weeks after votes have been tallied.

Is there some cut off date? From everything I’ve heard the votes are all sent in at different times at the discretion of the voter. I doubt there are many people that hadn’t turned their votes in by today which is why I said I wasn’t worried about what they were saying today but instead, the week leading up to today.

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There’s nothing to worry about.
Joes winning and who cares about anything else.

Never said he wasn’t.

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The word concern is literally in your frickin thread title

Concern. Concern for what, specifically? Because up to this point, everybody has been wrong about what I meant by ‘concern’. They

assumed

they knew what I meant and then proceeded to ignorantly chastise me about it.

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I mean look at this statement and tell me you weren’t asking if ESPN was trying to influence voters this year you dolt

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I’m starting to get a little concerned that they’re trying to shape the narrative

To influence enough voters so that Joe doesn’t win in a landslide and sets the record the most lopsided Heisman win.

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to influence the voters and buck the trend and vote for a guy like, let’s say Chase young, a defensive end instead of just the best quarterback.

And reduce the number of votes needed for him to break the record for the most votes in Heisman history.

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But feel free to keep trying to convince everyone that they are crazy and you’re the right one

Which is why I let y’all go on and on about it for three pages. To demonstrate the necessity for better reading comprehension programs at the elementary level of Louisiana schools.

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